Allen at The Right Christians
tosses the Lochner ball back to me, but it's a thoroughly botched pass. Here's what he says:
Eric Muller, who says he is neither a conservative nor a libertarian, takes Nathan Newman and me to the woodshed. In my case, it's for asserting that all this nice legal theorizing and nostalgia for Lochner aims for the undoing of what's left of the New Deal and Great Society, including wage/hour laws, OSHA, the Wagner Act (allowing collective bargaining) and the Civil Rights Act. He denies it, but here's my question:
Under what legal theory or theories would you uphold the legislation mentioned above?
If you deny the federal government's power to regulate all or some of these matters, how would you devise an effective system of state regulation that would accomplish the same purposes?
I'll answer the questions (or at least one of them) in a second, but first, notice the continued insistence that the only reason a person might think or talk about these matters is to reach an "aim" on a question of social policy. Maybe that's the only reason politicians and TV Talking Heads talk about these matters. But have we really reached a point where those of us who are neither politicians nor TV Talking Heads can't think and speak without having a donkey or an elephant pinned to our chests?
Second, notice the assertion that a person willing to entertain the notion that the Court's approach to economic liberties in the Lochner era must be feeling "nostalgia" for Lochner itself. Come on.
Third, Allen dismisses analysis of the merits of a different approach to economic liberties cases as "nice legal theorizing." That's a lovely way of dismissing it, but I thought what we were trying to do here was talk about it. Perhaps (and I think this will become clearer below) what Allen is really saying is that he's not interested in thinking carefully about the merits and demerits of the Court's approach in Lochner if the result of that would be a modification of current law. OK, fair enough. But then Allen shouldn't engage with people who are trying to discuss the merits and demerits of Lochner. He should just post a quick note that says, "a bunch of people in the blogosphere are discussing the merits and demerits of Lochner. I don't care about any of that discussion. I just want policymakers to keep the law as it is."
Fourth, Allen worries about those who aim to take away "what's left of the New Deal and Great Society." Huh?
What's left of the New Deal and the Great Society? Allen and I must be in different legal universes. The constitutional structure that allowed the New Deal and the Great Society is still essentially entirely in place. Certainly there has been no change in the law of due process (which, after all, is what we're talking about) that has undermined any aspect of those programs and regimes.
[UPDATE: Nathan Newman says this point is
"disingenuous," but he doesn't say why, and in any event, I assure him that I mean it. He also says that "the argument here is over opposing judges like Janice Brown who want to take the next steps to fully dismantle the post-New Deal judicial restraint by judges in regard to economic regulation." Well, maybe that's the argument he's having, but it's not the one I'm participating in. I'd be curious to know whether Nathan actually thinks that the "full dismantling" of the post-New Deal judicial deference would ever happen, even if some of the Janice Browns of the world take the bench. After
US v. Lopez in the mid-90s, people screamed that the post-New Deal deference in Commerce Clause cases was being dismantled. And of course no such thing was happening, or has happened. Something much more modest and tempered was (and is) happening in that area. I think the Court gets the Commerce Clause wrong in
Lopez and its progeny, but I don't think the sky fell as a result of those decisions.]
Finally--and this is the one that has me most skeptical of Allen's contribution to the Lochner debate--Allen builds a question around the possibility that I "deny the federal government's power to regulate all or some of these matters." In no way does this discussion about Lochner's merits and demerits touch on the question of whether the federal government has the power to pass laws like the Wagner Act, wage laws, and laws against race discrimination by private entities. Lochner was a case about individual rights, not government power. The government, in my view, unquestionably has the
power to pass these sorts of laws, under its power to regulate commerce among the several states. What we're talking about is whether certain provisions of such laws might infringe on the due process
rights of individuals to order their private economic affairs without unjustified government intrusion.
Now, finally, to Allen's question: How could a person endorse some aspect of the Court's approach to economic liberty cases in Lochner without tearing down the modern administrative welfare state? This question, it seems to me, commits the fallacy of false alternatives: It's based on the idea that there are two worlds, the one we live in and the world of the Lochner era, and one can only choose between the two. That's silly. Right now, as a technical (and purely technical) matter, laws (state or federal) that alter people's economic relations with one another need to be "rationally related to a legitimate state interest" in order to survive due process scrutiny. I say that's "purely technical" because courts since just after FDR's court-packing plan have fled the field entirely. This "rational basis" scrutiny is really no scrutiny at all, and that's at least in part because courts do not ask that the government defend the law in court on the basis of the real state interests that led the legislature to act, and also at least in part because the courts don't ask that the law bear a rational relationship to those interests. Any old theory that a clever government lawyer can come up with will do the trick.
And so, for example, when the legislature of the State of Oklahoma got captured by the well-financed medical establishment and passed a piece of legislation saying that opticians couldn't grind replacement lenses without a prescription from a licensed ophthalmologist, the Supreme Court
just threw up its hands and went along with the absurd after-the-fact theorizing that the state's lawyers came up with to defend the law.
I could imagine a world in which courts would actually
apply the rational-basis test, rather than just rubber-stamp any and every piece of legislation that comes their way. I would imagine that this would not come close to disassembling the modern welfare state, but might instead stand in the way of the most extreme instances of rent-seeking by well-financed groups that time and again control the legislative process at the expense of groups that lack lobbying clout.
To be sure, this would open up this area of judging to charges of subjectivity. One virtue of a regime of rubber-stamped approval is that judges can't be accused of improperly exercising discretion. But we trust judges to develop and apply discretionary rules all over the legal landscape. Might it not be possible here too?